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EA Tischler
Dynamic Screenings Video 2e Grip Alignments for Clubhead speed
In video 2e you mention a more on top grip from a neutral grip would produce a more open face at impact "typically". However the opposite occurs for me. When I move my trail hand more on top to "side cover" I hit very nice side cover push draws. When I move it to my "neutral - Side-Under" I hit push fades? My lead hand is in the on top position. I can see 3 knuckles. I understand how face and path create a curve. What I don't understand is why I test out as trail hand side under golfer, but I play best with a side cover trail hand.
Question: Can you explain why someone like me gets the opposite results of what you explain in video 2e based on my structural and dynamic screenings? Thank you!
My Structural & Dynamic Screenings I feel confident about:
Grip=Side Under (weighted ball test strong in under position, lower arm has more range of motion under than cover,(when performing throwing test "cover" it releases away from me at a 45 degree angle, side on ball releases away from me at a 20 degree angle, under hand goes at the target)
Lower Body Post=Rear (very clearly on rear side of alignment stick with all tests)
Upper Body Pivot=Rear (very clearly on rear side of alignment stick with all tests)
Impact Linkage=Center(rear of center) works best when I do the feet together test
Wrist Lever Action=Diagonal most speed
Arms=1" longer than my height
Upper Arm = 5/8" longer than lower arm
Right hand has the most speed
Lead side leg jump dominance
Trail side leg balance dominance
Hip Differential 10-15 degrees
Natural Swing Path=4 to 8 degrees Right (In to out)
Helpful things to know about my swing: I use a generous hip and upper body turn and I get a lot of depth in my backswing. I very much feel like I turn the right hip out of the way on backswing. I hit a consistent draw on target when I aim parallel square to my target. My swing is what is referred to as a reverse slot. I take it back under plane or "shallow" and steepen it on the downswing. My swing feeling in transition/downswing is to keep my shoulders closed and swing my arms down close to my body on the angle/direction my shoulders are pointing. I am NOT consciously trying to close the face with a motorcycle move.
@erik-stafford on a side note if you go to the Understanding Your Lefts & Rights and go down to the Grip Alignments & Influences you can find some more information on these patterns!
Hello Erik, as you have recognized what is typical isn't absolute. There are plenty of golfers that have dynamic patterns that influence adjusting away from what is typical. This is one of those cases. What is happening is you have found a grip alignment that matches your type of wrist unhinging action for the draw. I have a bunch of students that have this same type of release that use a more on-top grip than their neutral. I've made a few videos in the past describing this pattern. For you when the trail hand grip is on-top of neutral it allows you to get the palm facing more downward as the palm is facing in the positive path swing direction and then from there you are able to unhinge the wrists to close the face to the path. Most likely when you grip it more towards your neutral you keep the palm facing out longer and being that you swing right, the palm facing out longer delays the closing of the face and leads to push fades. With the more under grip, if you release with the same pattern it likely gets scoopy and since you would want to scoop-it you would have to roll it more than what works for your biomechanics. Thus, the Side-Cover grip, which is on-top of your neutral allows you to swing right the proper amount, while also releasing it in a more stable manner while closing the face to the path effectively. By the way the generous hip and upper body turns fit your screenings very well. And you need to create lots of depth based on your screenings. Turning the right hip out of the way in the backswing is what I call clearing in the backswing. Good stuff. Having lots of depth in the backswing creates lots of room to slot from the inside in the downswing and all that matches up with a covering grip and palm down in the positive direction for your type of push-draw.
@eatischler Yes I do get scoopy at the bottom and have a hard time with fat shots in my neutral structural alignment test of side on with the trail hand. I very much feel like the the face of the club is stable and square with the palm down using the side cover. Your description of my trail hand facing out longer delaying the closing of the face is exactly what happens when I have my trail hand more under. I don't feel like I can get the face square without doing a motorcycle move. And the motorcycle moves makes the ball curve left too much, usually a hook because like you said I add too much roll to avoid the scoop. I find that motorcycle move very hard to do from a timing standpoint, but also physically it is hard to do. It is not a good feel for me. I also loose power. Interestingly, as soon as I get the body turn involved the trail hand under becomes harder to use and the side cover becomes really good. So that under alignment kind of lead me down the path of trying to get it to work, but the more dynamic my swing became the worst off that alignment was for me. All makes sense now. It pleases me to hear that I am on the right track with my golf feels and that things line up well for me dynamically. Thank you for helping me confirm this! I look forward to watching more of your videos.
@eatischler **Correction to my reply above - I get scoopy with a side under NOT side on trail hand. I can actually use a side on, but it feels like a weak release with less power/distance and requires more work to time all the dynamics in my swing.
